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Old 07-11-2009, 12:33 AM
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I hope MW2 tanks horribly(but it probably won't). This is however, an acceptable complaint about steamworks, and I'm sure Valve is going to rectify it eventually.
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Old 07-11-2009, 01:11 AM
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but isnt it more expensive in europe than north america at retail as well? your price one part covering costs and 2 parts charging what the market is wiling to pay for
The matter is: when digital distribution (i.e. Steam) is often more expensive than retail, it becomes pointless.
Dragon Age retail: 44.99 euros (average price, with box and printed manual)
Dragon Age Steam: 49.99 euros (without extras)
Now, I call that ridiculous.
By the way, the answer to your question is: no
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:08 AM
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The only thing i hate about steam is how they charge Europeans more for the same games than they charge Americans...
Valve have said that this is the fault of publishers. Presumably the limitations on pricing of their own games are also somewhat limited by deals with EA.


I've pointed this out before but I guess it's just a favourite whine for our Euro-members to have with their cheese.
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Old 07-11-2009, 03:02 AM
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Perhaps, but it's an entirely justifiable whine. If your price is US$45 and my price is US$45, why should theirs be US$66? There must be more to this than the publisher alone - it has to be something in Valve's system if they are being overcharged for their games and those of us in Australia are not.
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Old 07-11-2009, 03:14 AM
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Sometimes publishers are split into mostly independent North America/European/Asian divisions and one division doesn't have the rights to distribute in all areas. In order to distribute in all areas we have to negotiate deals with all the different divisions and they all have different ideas of how pricing should work and how important digital distribution is for their games. We are always trying to help them understand the importance of markets around the world as well as help them understand the importance of fair and equal pricing for all regions, but it's an ongoing struggle. ”

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From wikipedia. Really hard to find Valve's side of the story rather than just assuming they're the ones being dicks.
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Old 07-11-2009, 10:05 AM
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Valve have said that this is the fault of publishers. Presumably the limitations on pricing of their own games are also somewhat limited by deals with EA.
I've pointed this out before but I guess it's just a favourite whine for our Euro-members to have with their cheese.
I really don't care who is to blame. There is something wrong and crazy with Steam pricing for european customers, and that's all that counts to me. When you go to a restaurant, if your meat is not good the cook is not allowed to put the blame on the butcher. It's his responsibility to satisfy the customers.
Sorry Steam, you are not satisfying me, so you won't have my money. Plain and simple.
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Old 07-11-2009, 11:34 AM
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The only thing i hate about steam is how they charge Europeans more for the same games than they charge Americans...
This. And the fact that I can't play the games I own on it offline. I paid money for the game, I want to be able to play it when I damn well please. It's like buying a car, and then having the dealership keep it in their garage and having to ask them to open it every time you want to drive your car.
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Old 07-11-2009, 12:18 PM
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This. And the fact that I can't play the games I own on it offline. I paid money for the game, I want to be able to play it when I damn well please. It's like buying a car, and then having the dealership keep it in their garage and having to ask them to open it every time you want to drive your car.
Exactly. This is why Half-Life 2 was the last Steam game I bought.
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Old 07-11-2009, 01:04 PM
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While I do like Steam as an all in one platform for purchasing and updating etc and the encryption that comes on MW retail dics is currently the only thing preventing it from being heavily pirated, I do think that after a game's unlock date is passed you should be able to play your game independently from steam. After all, once that activation date comes, copy's fill the net so it can't be a piracy reason after that.

I understand IW using the steamworks protection for their physical discs, but after launch they should allow steamless version for sale through other on-line sellers like WB Games did with F.E.A.R. 2.
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Old 07-11-2009, 01:06 PM
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I really don't care who is to blame. There is something wrong and crazy with Steam pricing for european customers, and that's all that counts to me. When you go to a restaurant, if your meat is not good the cook is not allowed to put the blame on the butcher. It's his responsibility to satisfy the customers.
Sorry Steam, you are not satisfying me, so you won't have my money. Plain and simple.
If the butcher has legal rights over the meat and he and all other butchers are all acting the same way then sure you can.

But I can tell you have fun whining about this constantly without result so don't let logic or myself stop you.
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Old 07-11-2009, 01:39 PM
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This. And the fact that I can't play the games I own on it offline. I paid money for the game, I want to be able to play it when I damn well please. It's like buying a car, and then having the dealership keep it in their garage and having to ask them to open it every time you want to drive your car.
Uh, you can play in offline mode.
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Old 07-11-2009, 01:50 PM
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:44 PM
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I ****ing hate Steam. I try to get games w/o using steam if I can, because it's always a hassle trying to buy anything using steam, at least over here.


Jesus Christ if I wanted to use 5 CD-ROMs to install a game instead of downloading it at speeds less than 5mb/s I should be ****ing allowed to because it's obvious that I want to install faster. Same goes for DVDs.
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Old 07-11-2009, 03:03 PM
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Well you are in the technoporium ograsmatron techno-central **** South Korea. I live in USA. For Steam, we are talking 23 kB/s download at top speed.

OK, I don't know. My connection was recently upgraded to a 'blazing' down speed of 250kB/s, rarely reached.
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